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Discrimination and Racism in the Netherlands

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After reading an article this morning, I needed to get input from people actually living in the area. The article was discussing European countries and Anti Islamic sentiment. In the article in mentioned a political group in the netherlands that was in the same neo nazi mind set that a ethnic group should be set apart and monitared. I became very disheartened because we've been considering a move to the Netherlands for a long time. We are fed up with U.S. government and culture, and one of our biggest issues is the ignorance and intolerance to different culture and religion. So my question is how often do you honestly come across this kind of social ignorance in day to day life, and how much is it a part of the politics of the day??

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  • Profil uživatele Mercury Olympus

    Publikováno uživatelem  v Fórum Nizozemsko 

    As a Dutch you must realize some facts "antilles" are dutch citizens because they are coming from Dutch islands. They are 70% of the workers in port of Rotterdam. So they are entitled by law to get all the benefits from social health care meanwhile the Muslim are by they own. You shall look on to data about criminality which minority groups are given to violence. You must remember what had happened in the past with some Dutch politicians killed by Muslims. That's why Dutch people do not like Muslim. Perhaps you are the exception from the majority. A few days ago i saw how they treat marocons women in a school. The Dutch professors told them they wore a towel in her head. Concerning marriages between Dutch and Muslim are really low percentage among the rest of the minorities. You can help me also to find how many member of dutch football team are coming from muslin fathers. This is enormous problem to solve. Dutch society must help and treat mulism as citizens. Currently they want to increase regulations for immigrants in the Netherlands. The PVV, VVD and CDA are working harder to make immigrants laws more difficult and complicated for them. Reality is quite different from ideal of society. Dutch people do minds when you are muslim. Otherwise you can see t.v how pvv and vvd members talks about muslim. You can vote so you can make the difference

  • Ton Bakker

    Publikováno uživatelem  v Fórum Nizozemsko 

    As a Cuban you can tell, that the major problem is that a lot of people in NL don't look further than the outside,Wilders, the leader of the PVV has a Jewish Hungarian wife,
    and he lived for a year in a Kibbutz in Israel.His funds come from Jewish bankers and orgnisations in f.e. USA. Why do you think he went to NY to protest against the mosque in NY , near Ground Zero.He was invited there.
    It is so easy to pick a group and make them subject of discrimination.So with his background he picked Muslim.The problems with Moroccan youth, and Antillians is mainly concentrated in the cities, not the inland.Some people need a group, to make subject of their fustrations.
    I have a Turkish'brother',for 40 yrs,I grew up with Turkish people coming at my mothers house, she teached them Dutch and helped them. A [Dutch] girlfriend of mine and her[Algerian] husband are muslim. So what, they are human beeings, believe is of no importance. I have many friends from all kind of countries, I lived for 2 weeks amongst Beduin in the Sinai.Great time.I don't judge people on colour or believe, I love to go to my China family-in-law.China is a lovely country , with great people. I don't agree with the Chinese politics, but that is not an issue amongst the common Chinese, they 're used to it, and don't bother the government.
    So I think I'm a globalist.
    And a majority of the Dutch see the problems with some minorities, but you'll find that in any country, anywhere on the world.

  • Ton Bakker

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    George, ur so right, my mistake, I counted Ireland to the UK, they soak me in whiskey,lol
    Danmark and Malta also,but Sweden and Finland not as much as us Dutchies.

  • Profil uživatele Mercury Olympus

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    Indeed there are good muslim in netherlands but the statics shows the otherway around. For instance the biggest population minority in jail in the netherlands are muslims. The rest fo the minorities are not given to such violence as them. There many studios undergoing under this subject. One of the reason points religium and low level of education. On the seventies there was huge muslim immigration into the Netherlands. They came from small villages in marroco or turkish. So they didnt have any experience or work profession. Thus most of them went to the worst jobs in society such as construction and cleaning. In addition they didnt mingle with locals. Moreover they made their own guettos where they could thier language and their own culture. The consequences for this was cero tolerance and understanding from the dutch society meanwhile the other newcomers are welcomed such ans caribbean,polish,turssian,indonissian,etc. Hopefully this will have a good turning point where muslim can understand that women are allow to choose what it is best for them and dutch people accept that muslim are not longer a threat for the.

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    Thanks so much for your anwsers. I'm glad to hear that the common areas are multicultural, and it certainly sounds more progressive than here in the U.S. It still saddens me to here of the islamic hatred. On a side, I do understand it, but not every muslim is a terrorist, and their traditions may be "weird". I've had the honor of meeting and becoming friends with a few different Islamic men and women. Most are dear hearted, and accepting people. They may call their god by a different name but the general beliefs are quite similar to the beliefs of Christians. Do either of you know of a good and honest news site there in the Netherlands I may be able to receive or view online, here in the U.S?

  • Profil uživatele Mercury Olympus

    Discrmination is below the sourface

    Publikováno uživatelem  Mercury Olympus v Fórum Nizozemsko 

    Dutch people are really diplomats. They only let you know what they think if necessary. Indeed you holland is multicultural country nobody cant denied that fact. However Dutch people in general term dont get muslim people. Muslim people has weird traditions and habits for the Dutch perpespective. Dutchs dont mind whether you are from nigerio, south africa or the moon. Nonetheless when you are muslim you get a big problem. Nobody will admit this but many dutchs secretly tell you i am happy "you are not muslim". On the south of holland in Limburg. The racist headquarters had been established due to the PVV. You shall keep in mind that holland is really multicural on the harbor of Rotterdam you can see thousand of caribbean people working there to make. So racism is not by the colour of your skin or your origin. It is mainly whether you are muslim or not. Any dutch will admit this but innerly they think that Muslim shall go back or kick them out from holland. You can make a test try to wear a headscarf in your head like a muslim woman. Then you will see how hard becomes your life in holland.

  • Ton Bakker

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    =So my question is how often do you honestly come across this kind of social ignorance in day to day life, and how much is it a part of the politics of the day??=
    we don't live in a big city, but we live next to Amsterdam Aiport, around 100.000 inhabitants, The answer to your question;1. not at all.
    2. also in the USA you have a political soap with the Tea Party, we have PVV, but we sleep well anyway, lol.
    Our son is 4, and at his school, the many different nationalities are obvious. But that never has been an issue, we are one community, and have as much contact with other nationalities as we have with born Dutchies.My wife is Chinese f.e., and our neighbourhood is one big mix..
    So, consider to live in Hoofddorp, close to the sea, the airport and to Amsterdam.Best wishes for your decision, greetings, Ton

  • Ton Bakker

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    Hi Barbara, as in many countries, we also have a veru multi culti society.And in some cities a problem with f.e. Moroccan youngsters, who are either criminal or discriminating.
    Since we have the PVV [Party For Freedom] which makes an issue of fighting against primarily Islamic immigrants, Dutch society is a bit mixed up.Cause at last 2nd Chamber of parliament -elections he did win a lot of seats, and is now 'tolerating'the new government, he is in a strong position.Hopefully it wont't last long.
    But don't be afraid, always when economy is in bad shape, you see this kind of groups growing.
    It isn't common sense what you read, only a minor group , also as a protest against former governments.
    In common Dutchies are sensible people,living together with al nationalities present.
    You are very welcome in NL, also because it is, next to the UK , the only country in EU where most of the people speak, or at least , understand English.

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