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I hve noticed a good few people posting that they are thinking of moving here. DONT DO IT!!!
I moved here in 2005 and I can honestly say it was one of the worst decisions of my life.
I came here to be with my wife and the mother of my son as we were unable to move back to the uk after we were married. As a uk citizen marrying a non citizen it is a hell of a lot simpler (and cheaper) to live as a married couple outside the uk for five years. I had never been to SA and liked what I saw when I got here. My brother in law had a building company here and offered me a position as a foreman (I am a bricklayer to trade). This only lasted about 12 months and he shut the business down. Since then I have been scratching around looking for work! Thank god my wife has had a constant job since we got here!
I saw on a post from a couple of days ago someone was asking about the anti-white employment legisltion that we have here. IT EXISTS AND THEY KEEP AMENDING IT!!! We started with B.E.E (black economic empowerment)targetting white men as personna non grata. Now we have B.B.E.E (broad based black empowerment)targetting all white people, male and female as being unemployable!! If you are a white male then stay where you are, you wont get work here! If you are a white woman, same rules apply! Unless you have independant financial means do NOT consider SA as an option! Should you be lucky enough to have the means then ber in mind that the thieves target rich white people, even poor white people are crime victims. I have been robbed at gunpoint three times in the last three years, had my house broken into twice and my wife has been hijacked twice!!
There are those out there who would tell you I am being a drama queen. Suit yourself!! I wouldnt take the risk! No doubt you are wondering why we dont go back to the uk? Simple. My wife's salary only just covers our living costs with nothing to spare, so where must we find the money to go abroad?
Hope everyone heeds the advice of someone who has been here a while and knows how damn difficult things are being made for us here!

  • Quicksmile The South African

    Dear Rob

    posted by  Quicksmile The South African in South Africa forum 

    At least your wife has a job in SA... If you were in the UK, both you and your wife would be unable to get a job!!!

  • Go to Rob Vaughan's profile

    Reply to "dear Rob"

    posted by  Rob Vaughan in South Africa forum 

    I would have to disagree with you there. The United Kingdom does not have any racist legislation PREVENTING employers from employing white people. That side at least the playing field is level, here we are persona non grata! Even those of us who are NOT racist are now being affected! Besides, we have been accepted for 3 different jobs in the UK! There is still work there for those who wish to work!!

  • south africa

    posted by Deleted user in South Africa forum 

    Hi Rob, i was born in Claremont , Cape Town. Unfortunately the previous government threw us out . Now as you have explained everything is very difficult if you are not black. I am classified as colored and believe me that we suffer just as much as whites. Yes i would like to warn those that think South Africa is the place to be. Crime is very high and our justice system is very inadiquate. I am currently planning to move permanently to italy

  • Nadya Scott

    south africa

    posted by  Nadya Scott in South Africa forum 

    We are planning to move back. It would be very unfair for me to call you dramatic and such but I think moving to this country you knew the risks. My husband is south african by birth and moved to the usa in 1995. We are visiting very soon and are going to see if I like it enough to move there. I am well aware of the lack of jobs and reverse discrimination. I have read the statistics and our family there has been directly affected as you have. However I'm not going to let some bullies run us away from our dream home. We will deal with it as things happen and although I imagine it will be very frustrating for me not to totally flip my lid on anyone who tries to harass me. I'm from a rough childhood and really I know the logical way. Materials can be replaced. Life can not. I look forward to going and living in this beautiful country.

  • Go to Liz Mason's profile

    Sad to Leave

    posted by  Liz Mason in South Africa forum 

    In some ways I agree with your statements, but in others I don't. If a person really wants to make a living in this country, it can be done. There are things that a person can do, in order to make a living legitimately. I happen to have met my now husband over the Internet, he is originally from the UK, but has been in Southern Africa for more than 40 years now. I moved here in 2002 and have loved almost every moment. There have been some really tough times for us, but we tend to survive.

    I will admit that like ALL countries in the world it is riddled with crime, corruption and many injustices, but when you let the beauty outweigh the negatives, you find a wonderful country. Also, it is a heck of a lot more dangerous living in the huge cities, such as Johannesburg, Port Elizabeth, Cape Town, Durban or any other large city, there is more crime than the average person should have to endure, but if you take in all the smaller communities, you will find that the atmosphere is pleasant, the crime is lower and the living is pleasurable.

    The area where we are happens to be in the quiet countryside, farming areas, yet we are close enough to the larger towns, like Port Elizabeth or East London to be able to go and spend a day doing whatever it is we need to do and get home before dark and be settled into our quiet corner after the mad rush.

    We are actually selling our property to relocate only because we are at the age where we need to be near our families who are in the USA. I have not seen my daughter in over 10 years, my grandchildren, I have not seen at all except through the Internet. My husband has not seen his daughter and granddaughter in over 6 years and has a grandson he has not seen at all except through the Internet.

    I LOVE South Africa as a country, it's the politics, corruption and injustices that are wrong, not the country itself. I also agree that it is a bit on the prejudice side when it comes to employment etc, but again, was it not the opposite just a few short years ago. It seems now that the tables are reversed, we get all bent out of shape, now we all know what it feels like to be on the other side. Yes, they have taken it to the extreme level, but that is just life in SA. We have to all take some responsibility for our own actions and there are like I said before, many ways to make a legitimate living here.

    I shall miss the country, I just will not miss all the aggreviations that have been involved.

  • Go to Rob Vaughan's profile

    Buona fortuna in Italia!

    posted by  Rob Vaughan in South Africa forum 

    Best of luck pal, my freind here in josey is also coloured, you guys get the flak from both sides of the race story. Italy is very cool!!

  • Go to Rob Vaughan's profile

    Best of luck.

    posted by  Rob Vaughan in South Africa forum 

    Hi Nadya,
    Hope everything works out ok for the two of you here. You are absolutely correct in saying that this is a beautiful country, if you have the means (rands) to enjoy it! I feel though that you may change your mind about "dramatic" when you see the poverty and degradation that the news cameras never show you, I see it every day here in Joburg, maybe I should start posting photos in case others dont believe me. I have to say that I get impatient with people who live on the other side of the world telling me that things "are not that bad". Believe me, its all part of the SA experience, you will never forget it! Some of the things I have witnessed here will never be forgotten! I do sincerely offer you the best of luck, this country has never been "easy" and from what is going on now its not going to get better soon, for the majority of black or white people at any rate. I hope you are one of the lucky ones, we all have to have a dream, I hope SA turns out to be yours!

  • Go to Rob Vaughan's profile


    posted by  Rob Vaughan in South Africa forum 

    There is always someone in every chatroom who will say "things are not that bad" etc, ad nauseum! Not going to argue the point, by the sounds of it you are of retiring age? Congratulations! Now try starting out under the CURRENT situation here!! As I was reading your reply I was waiting for you to tell me "there are no unemployed people here, they are there by choice", did I mention ad nauseum? As for there being plenty of legitimate work? Please tell me, sounds like you know a lot more about the employment situation here in Joburg than I do. Things are very different in PE than here! As for living in a "quiet farming area". Love to! Must be nice to have those kinds of choices!

  • Stop blaming South Africa from doing what is practice in your country.

    posted by Deleted user in South Africa forum 

    Stop blaming South Africa from doing what is practice in your country.
    What I have noticed is all western foreigners expect South Africa to be different by treating white foreigners differently. I will say there is opportunity for everybody in South Africa, but no opportunity for people looking for jobs black people can do. You do expect African to do cleaning job in your country and you came to Africa wanting to do highly paid job, or what they can so that they remain jobless. In Europe doors are not widely open for black and Africans, discriminated for everything, Job, housing, paper I can name them. If you respect the requirement to stay, work, make business in South Africa, no one will discriminate against you. It is not correct what Redewaan Josiasfor is saying, there is completion, if he is qualified he will get the job instead of sabotaging his country.
    Today in south Africa most companies are owned and led by whites, It is not easy for a black qualify South African to get jobs if it is not AA or EE, worst for many black African foreigners living here. Most of these companies give preference to white foreigners than African foreigners. Some preferences even go to less qualify white foreigner than black qualify African foreigners.
    If you are legal in the country, you will enjoy it you will do what you want. It is rare in South Africa to stop a white and ask for papers, but if you are black look different, the SAPS will stop most of the time. In the west, they stop black and non white all the time.
    Stop blaming South Africa from doing what is practice in your country.

  • linda elle


    posted by  linda elle in South Africa forum 

    Enough said, how many south africans are returned back to SA at the UK airports. U lucky you still in the why complain, first understand where the country its from. Why didn't you move to the US after marrying your wife. No offence

  • moving to SA

    posted by Deleted user in South Africa forum 

    Hi, my name was used in the previous letter. I am born South African, but have to admit we are moving backwards.
    1. No more free schooling.
    2. No more free health.
    3. Wages very low.
    4. Food very expensive.
    5. Electricity exorbitant
    6. Petrol very expensive.
    7. No real transport system
    8. poverty all over.
    9 . unemployment very high.
    10. NO apprentice ship any longer
    11. old age grants a very low
    12. safety very very worrying
    13. the country has moved backwards since 1994. If you sit back and you compare the quality of life is not the same.
    I do not know where you grew up but most probably not in south africa.

  • conditions in cape town

    posted by Deleted user in South Africa forum 

    Hi every one. Last week my nieces husband was on his way home. Near his home, a taxi cliped the rear of his car on the side. He then stopped to acess the damage and the taxi drove off. Furios he followed the taxi for about 3 kilometers. The taxi eventualy stoped and he slowed towards the taxi. As he aproached, the driver came around the front pointing a gun at him. With shock he drove on and a shot was fired. The bullet narrowly missed him embeding in the dashboard. A LIFE, window, broken dash later. I DO NOT THINK ITS WORTH LIVING HARE AND WHE PREACH A ONDERFULL COUNTRY

  • African not proud to be????

    posted by Deleted user in South Africa forum 

    My friend Josias,
    I have nothing personal with you, but let me teach you that crime is everywhere. I am at the moment in Germany one of the most safest country in the world, but in Berlin and other sates they are petty crime. All over in Africa crime exist. There is not safe place in the planet as Abdul said.
    We held the world cup and other major events in South Africa despite worldwide criticism about crime in South Africa, but all these events went on safely.
    You cannot from one incident stigmatize a country. Africa has always been stigmatized by people like you. If you are not proud to be here go to a safe place that is your freedom. Really I have nothing personal against you, but it irritates me to hear that all the time from brothers.
    Brother, think before you write if you are a proud African. Africa is always hell while other part of the world are heaven.
    Any with good plan can live well in South Africa and this land and continent welcome every one not like Europe or other country. A black African man is not welcome even in other poor countries out of Africa.

  • sa

    posted by Deleted user in South Africa forum 

    Hahahahahah you must be from Jupertor os venus.
    You tel me the percentage of crime in those countries.
    South Africa is moving backwards as far as crime is concerned and the judicial system is a joke.

  • arum jourdan

    Agree with ALL of you

    posted by  arum jourdan in South Africa forum 

    What is stated above - each one gives a valid point. Not every day is the same in South Africa. Not every place is the same. So what one person experiences will not be the same as the other person´s experiences.
    South Africa has a terrible crime problem, the government laughs it off and tries to sweep it all under the mat.
    Problem is: the government is incompetent, incapable of getting things sorted out, schooling, municipal problems, electricity and CRIME.

    The approach of the government about AA BEE etc is plain racist. The apartheid government never had such strict racist applications. Employers are FORCED to employ a certain percentage of blacks. A friend who is an attorney, runs his business by himself without any employees, yet is constantly harrassed by authorities as to why he has not employed any blacks !!!

    In apartheid time there were jobs for everyone, although some jobs were never open for blacks and coloureds. Now, white men are the losers all the way round. No wonder so many have left to work overseas where their qualifications are acknowledged. The joke about this is that many of these come to work in South Africa on contract with international firms, and then they earn way more than they would have if they had been employed in South Africa.

    We are presently living in Germany. We left because of over 20 break-ins on our property, the worsening economic situation and because we feared for our daughters´ saftey. Rape incidence is far too high to dismiss it as a joke, as some politicians do. My life here is not utopia, I also struggle to find work, people are also racists here, stuck up and think they know better.

    I cannot wait for our pension so that we can return to SA and settle in a small town near my family in the Western Cape, which is the only province that is functioning properly. We will have to do some sort of work to keep our heads above water. Handiwork, baking or gardening. In South Africa it is much easier to get odd jobs than in Germany. Even delivering pizzas brings in some welcome cash.

    And is one has learned a trade, Rob Vaughan, then one can look for jobs or offer one´s services on gumtree for example. One has to lower one´s standards and take what one can get. One or 2 weeks of renovating someone´s bathroom is better than sitting at home and lamenting one´s fate. At least the weather is better in SA than in the UK. No heating costs. But, on the other hand, you can go on the dole in the UK, in SA not.

  • I do not agree with you

    posted by Deleted user in South Africa forum 

    Dear Jordan
    You should not hide behind the rose and make such a big lie. You said I quote:
    YOU "The approach of the government about AA BEE etc is plain racist. The apartheid government never had such strict racist applications”.
    ME. We all know the truth
    YOU “Employers are FORCED to employ a certain percentage of blacks. A friend who is an attorney, runs his business by himself without any employees, yet is constantly harrassed by authorities as to why he has not employed any blacks” !!!
    ME. He will prefer to employ a white foreigner instead of giving the opportunity to a black South Afrcan
    YOU. “In apartheid time there were jobs for everyone, although some jobs were never open for blacks and coloureds”.
    ME. Another big lie, No real Job or education was open to blacks.
    YOU “Now, white men are the losers all the way round”.
    ME. Nothing is permanent except change. Things have to change and please give black people who are the majority to get the chance or equal opportunity. People have to create opportunities fr themselves. I have my consulting practice. I do not ask or expect anything from the government.
    “No wonder so many have left to work overseas where their qualifications are acknowledged. The joke about this is that many of these come to work in South Africa on contract with international firms, and then they earn way more than they would have if they had been employed in South Africa”.
    ME. I studied in Germany, did my PhD, and never expected anything from the German or South African Government. Hard working people can earn what they deserve. It is not the problem of black or white.
    ME. Borther or sister, come back home, there is nothing for you in Germany. I am at the moment in Germany on ontract as consultant, I am also earning more and I will bring it home.
    Lets work for out country and continent and stop crying. Stop the black and white things

  • impossible

    posted by Deleted user in South Africa forum 

    Petrol just went up by 93c. How on earth must the poor live. Food etc will all increase now. Did you guys see how the police shot and killed those innocent miners?

  • pension

    posted by Deleted user in South Africa forum 

    Oh and i forgot to mention that my poor sister is denied a old age pension because her husband gets a monthly employment pesion. She is 69 years old now and stil selling food items to be able to sirvive. So can anyone explain to me how the system works? Mr phd maybe you know seeing you in another country .

  • pension

    posted by Deleted user in South Africa forum 

    My poor sister cant get a old age pension because her husband opted to get his retirement pesion in a monthlay payment. At age 69 she stil selling food items in order to make a living. Mr phd maybe you know how the system work?

  • Go to Donald Hesse's profile

    South Afrika- now a racially divided land again.

    posted by  Donald Hesse in South Africa forum 

    Having left SA many years ago because of its racist politics - and having visited the land many times, I now see once again a racially segregated society where racial discrimination is legal ( as compared with the USA) and there are the additional "issues" of gross political corruption, incompetence and mass crime.
    Despite the beauty of the land, SA is no longer a liveable country for those desiring safety and knowledge that the society is just and fair to all!

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