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The problem is that Westerners are self sufficient that if they hear that gipsy belong to the Roma community space latin or appeared like magic at wolf breasts but they actually come from India brought by the Mongol tribes and not least by the Turks who had in Istanbul the largest slave market and how there do not really like to live in Otoman empire because of the many restrictions including religious(muslim), practicing shamanism fled north into Bulgaria and Valahia and eastern Europe there throughout the space were forced by Empress Maria Theresa of Austria to settle in these areas Transylvania and the rest of the Austro-Hungarian empire including former Yugoslavian space,Czecho-Slovacia and Poland(Because they were a cheap labor to work the land) .In Russia gipsy have been sold even before arriving in eastern Europe due to the good relationships between diffrent tartars leaders and Tzarist factions.The best solution is to try to integrate or to send back in case if did not want this where they came from because they do not belong to the European space and can not adapt to European realities they are Indians and so they belong to India.They have gregarious spirit will live in large families outdoors without to comply with European laws that obstruct their free spirit.It's true that much of the population of Europe also comes from India these two genetic groups Celts and Slavs (R1a and R1b) but they came in Europe 4500 years ago and they adapted between time.If we make an analysis still see some analogies between personality traits of Gypsies and the Celts and Slavs and more like the Celts and Slavs Gypsies once mixed with other peoples become blond same feature that we observe and the Celts and Slavs.Gypsies have been mistaken with astriganos for practicing shamanism and they was called in diffrent states like zingari,tigani,tiganos, gitanes etc. .Not even now they still do not really have adopted the Christian faith.In eastern countries gypsies barely received citizenship after 1975 when comunist tried to integrate them and see that not much has succeed.Others have obtained citizenship after 1990 with the coming to power of new democracy but I can say that Roma women barely spoke local languages after 1980 with forced integration attempts made by the communist states with failure results .They have a gregarious spirit that resembles the Indian one.Gipsy have actualy 90% of ther customs comun with turks due to the long period of coexisting in Otoman empire around 300 years before migrate to the north and west.Even the songs are still influenced by turks.Eventually apearing question that gipsy have something in comun with India but cultural background and personality behavior is still indian.There is another group of gipsy coming from India called sinti probably from indian area sindh and this group of gipsy are arrived earlier than roms probablly around 950-1000 a.d. and they are not enter in eastern countries at all probablly detour by coming thru northern Africa or western Turkey and one of the core of sinti was Bohemia part of Czecho-Slovakia centred in near by Austria and Germany where a large part of these comunity was integrated.Last time when we have news about sinti comunity in Austria and Germany was 1960-1970 after this period is considered total integrated.Finally i can say that since in large part of Europe we have indian population due the big migration from years 2500-2700 b.c. we can not make diffrence from indian population coming thru diffrent times.Without indian migration Europe was almost empty and just nord african y-dna group create in southern part of Europe a old civilization from Greece Crete,Santorini to Sicily of Etruscian and Spain of Catalunia and Valenciana and some neolitic tribes who choose to come on Romanian teritory 20000-25000 years ago and live in caves at begining and later in mud houses and develop a ancient european culture like Cucuteni culture from almost 6000 years ago more sure 5700 years: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture .
