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Discrimination and Racism in the Netherlands

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After reading an article this morning, I needed to get input from people actually living in the area. The article was discussing European countries and Anti Islamic sentiment. In the article in mentioned a political group in the netherlands that was in the same neo nazi mind set that a ethnic group should be set apart and monitared. I became very disheartened because we've been considering a move to the Netherlands for a long time. We are fed up with U.S. government and culture, and one of our biggest issues is the ignorance and intolerance to different culture and religion. So my question is how often do you honestly come across this kind of social ignorance in day to day life, and how much is it a part of the politics of the day??

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    discrimination - Alice in the wonderland according to Tom Bakker

    posted by  Mercury Olympus in Netherlands forum 

    www.soros.org/initiatives/home/articles_publications/publica
    tions/museucities_20080101/museucitiesnet_20080101.pdf

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_Netherlands

    http://www.cbs.nl/NR/rdonlyres/ACE89EBE-0785-4664-9973-A6A00
    A457A55/0/2007k3b15p48art.pdf

    http://www.cbs.nl/NR/rdonlyres/288C8035-40B6-4A97-98C8-791EC
    56D9363/0/2005k3b15pub.pdf

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    posted by  in Netherlands forum 

    Tom i can understand your frustration. It seems to be you are not good at debating
    any how i will write the link again . so you can read it.

  • Ton Bakker

    posted by  in Netherlands forum 

    1) you talk about 2004.2005, is 5 yrs ago
    2) the link you send is a blanco page
    3)you refer to polls amongs a small group of people;
    quote; In May 2006, a poll by Motivaction / GPD (1,200 Dutch adults +/- 3%) found that 63% of Dutch citizens felt that Islam is incompatible with modern European life. A poll of June 2004 found that 68% felt threatened by "immigrant or Muslim young people", 53% feared a terrorist attack by Muslims in the Netherlands, and 47% feared that at some point, they would have to live according to Islamic rules in the Netherlands.]You cannot call that a representative group.

    But since you are convinced to know better what is living amongst Dutch, and I as a Dutchman doesn't , I don't think going on with this discussion is relevant.
    Your reality is totally different from my and Dutch reality.
    Good luck, and feel free to look for a better country, if you don't like it here, and don't like Dutch athmosphere.
    Greetings, Ton

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    posted by  in Netherlands forum 

    Samantha,

    I didnt get your message, no. In fact, i sometimes have difficulties understanding what you mean, example: "..cause did not get to shut down leaving the restuarant" what do you mean by that?

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    posted by  in Netherlands forum 

    It is a must to read.Tom i hope this time more about your own country .Finally you will wake up from your dreams. Perhaps as a dream walker you wil have a nice life. Reality it is completely different.

    http://www.soros.org/initiatives/home/articles_publications/
    publications/museucities_20080101/museucitiesnet_20080101.pd
    f

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    posted by  in Netherlands forum 

    Dual citizenship
    Following the appointment of two Muslim ministers as state secretaries, both of which hold foreign passports, discussion started about double citizenship and the possibility of foreign citizens to hold office. The debate intensified when it was discovered parliament member Khadija Arib serves on an advisory council to King Mohammed VI of Morocco.
    [edit]Radicalization
    After the murder of Theo van Gogh in November 2004, Minister of Integration and Immigration Rita Verdonk commissioned an inquiry into the radicalisation of young Muslims. The conclusion was that many of them experience alienation, feeling disconnected with both their first-generation immigrant parents and from Dutch society. Previous reports had already found that young Muslims don't share the deep ethno-national attachment their parents feel with their country of origin, and instead are coming to identify primarily with their religion. While they participate less in religious activities than their parents, they more strongly link their identity with Islam and with the global Muslim community; radical and orthodox Islamic groups offer some of these young Muslims clear answers and a firm sense of belonging. While prior research found that the degree of religiosity in general decreases among Muslims with higher education and stable employment, the new report noted that highly educated young Muslims can also experience "relative deprivation" all the more strongly - the sense that despite their efforts they receive fewer opportunities than native Dutch of the same generation - and turn to radicalism in anger and frustration

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    posted by  in Netherlands forum 

    Deat Tom,
    Once again you are wrong among many other things, your lack knowledge is very deep and dissapointing, read this facts The murder of Theo van Gogh by Mohammed Bouyeri, a Moroccan-Dutch Islamic terrorist, on 2 November 2004, as well as the arrest of the Hofstad Group on charges of terrorism, caused a lot of discussion about Islam and its place in Dutch society. The possibility of banning the burka was discussed in the cabinet.
    Following the murder of Theo van Gogh, a number of websites appeared praising the murder and making death threats against other people. At the same time, starting with four arson attacks on mosques in the weekend after the murder, a significant number of apparently retaliatory incidents took place. By November 8, Christian churches were in turn targeted. A report for the Anne Frank Foundation and the University of Leiden counted a total of 174 violent incidents in November, specifying that mosques were the target of violence 47 times, and churches 13 times.
    Between 23 November 2004 and 13 March 2005, the National Dutch Police Services Agency (KLPD) recorded 31 occasions of violence against mosques and Islamic schools. The case that drew most attention was an arson attack that led to the destruction of a Muslim primary school in Uden in December 2004. The period of heightened tensions between Dutch and Muslim communities was also evidenced by several confrontations between what are known as the "Lonsdale Youth" (Dutch youth groups characterised by their preference for Lonsdale clothing) and Turkish and Moroccan youths in provincial towns like Venray.
    These incidents took place against the backdrop of increasingly suspicious and fearful perceptions of Muslims, which have developed over a longer time. In May 2006, a poll by Motivaction / GPD (1,200 Dutch adults +/- 3%) found that 63% of Dutch citizens felt that Islam is incompatible with modern European life. A poll of June 2004 found that 68% felt threatened by "immigrant or Muslim young people", 53% feared a terrorist attack by Muslims in the Netherlands, and 47% feared that at some point, they would have to live according to Islamic rules in the Netherlands.
    Feelings of fear or distrust coincide with a high degree of social segregation. About two-thirds of Turks and Moroccans "associate predominantly with members of their own ethnic group," while a similar proportion of native Dutch "have little or no contact at all with immigrants." Moreover, contacts between the groups are decreasing, notably those between second generation Turks and Moroccans and native Dutch

  • posted by  in Netherlands forum 

    checking to see if you got my message? cause did not get to shut down leaving the restuarant.

  • posted by  in Netherlands forum 

    interesting topic, just shows you don't know what goes on behind closed doors.or what each individual is facing being in a new country.

  • Ton Bakker

    posted by  in Netherlands forum 

    Polical refugee or not, it is no excuse for criminalty.We had a muslim State Secretary,Muslim mayor in Rotterdam,Muslim attorneys and lawyers.
    You CLAIM you know about subsurface discrimination, because you heard from SOME muslim friends.Where do they live.

    Since when are you in Holland, and why don't you speak Dutch on a Dutch forum.I don't see any postings of you in Dutch.

    Discrimination is against Dutch National Law,but it works of course 2 way.
    If religion has some rules, people can choose to obbey those rules or not. You can make efforts to give women with a religion,to participate more in society, but you can't force them.[except fe with particpating in the Intergration Course, because they are obliged to by law]
    .That is freedom of religion, wether you like it or not.How can anyone proof a marriage is arranged.
    It is very simple to make comments on Holland, but since you are part of the community, feel free to go to a muslim family, and talk to them, about what you think.

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